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Reported at Derby Litchurch Lane without wheelsets on top of other wagon 10/12.


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Derby Litchurch Lane** *** **** Greg Hartle
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  • 041998

    17 October 2012 - Alex Betteney

    This was visible at Derby Litchurch Lane on 16-10-2012, minus wheels, mounted on top of another Internal wagon

  • 041998

    11 May 2014 - Ben Williams

    041998 is the frame on top of the other wagon.

  • 2 May 2019 - Greg Hartle

    This vehicle is still in existence.. Referring to the photograph dated 24th Jan 2014, it is still within the wagon.Yellow paintwork still apparent.It can be found at the very far end of the test track, the last remnants of the old sidings which were under the 'long bridge' which connected Osmaston Rd to Longbridge Lane.That is now an elevated car park, and a row of wagons are still in existence in a siding along the brick wall.This vehicle is nearest to the car park but some distance away.I will endeavour to attain an updated photograph from another possible viewing point now I know where it is..

  • 27 April 2020 - Greg Hartle

    The recent photo is the best you're going to get of this vehicle, I couldn't zoom in any more otherwise it wouldn't have been clear! Plus, it's the other side of the test track.... no one is getting anywhere near it trust me... I thought it was acceptable enough considering where it is situated, plus I had to venture into Pattonair's premises to take it, in which you aren't allowed unless you work there .... took many months of getting round to doing that, so a little disappointed it's not being added as evidence it still exists.... I'm the only one that's proved it!

  • 27 April 2020 - Ben Williams

    Appreciate your efforts Greg but it was too obscured behind the fence this time. Useful to see it still exists though so an updated sighting will be fine for now. I'm sure it will appear again. You will appreciate I can't add every photo to the website.

  • 28 April 2020 - Greg Hartle

    No problem Ben, thanks and always appreciated when adding my photos to the excellent website

  • 041998

    12 March 2022 - Ben Williams

    This is the pic of 041998 on same day as the other wagon adjacent - possibly 041999. See 041999 page.

    I was sent a video recently showing some of the wagons here and it includes the upturned frame of 041998 so this still survives...

  • 10 November 2023 - Peter Hall

    Greg / Ben - I would very much like to see the picture and especially know the date taken. I'm presuming its the date of Greg's last sighting which is before the movements to Worksop took place. If taken cApril 2020 then 041998 has an allibi for not being a Worksop suspect.

  • 10 November 2023 - Greg Hartle

    Hi Peter, yes you are correct the date of the photo is the same as the sighting. Unfortunately the photo wasn't added to the site and I don't have it in my declined photos anymore.. As far as I'm aware it is still in situ at Alstom Derby