Current number:
45036
Any other previous number(s):
n/a
Notes:
Damaged by fire by 8/12. Underframe only by 10/13. Cambrian Heritage Railways, Blodwell Quarry (via Swindon & Cricklade Railway during 2018.)
Livery:
Black
Preserved Railway / Museum:
Cambrian Heritage Railways
Category:
Preserved vehicles
DM series

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Comments

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• ADM 45036

  21 May 2008 - Ben Williams

  This saloon is deteriorating at the Chinnor & Princes Risborough Railway and I believe the railway are trying to find a buyer if anyone is interested...

• ADM 45036

  21 May 2008 - Dave Shell

  We are working on it Ben - hopefully we will be able to sort a transfer, but nothing definate yet

• ADM 45036

  21 May 2008 - Nick Tompkin

  If I remember correctly, this vehicle had a rather precarious existance in the late 80s. I think this vehicle was despatched to Booths for scrap at least twice around 1989, only to be returned to Tinsley on both occasions.

• ADM 45036

  22 May 2008 - dylan

  Interesting... any info on why Booths returned it ?

• ADM 45036

  23 May 2008 - Brian Cuttell

  I think that it was sent to Booth's yard by mistake (with other stock) so was returned to Tinsley yard when the mistake was noticed - a very lucky survivor!

• ADM 45036

  25 May 2008 - Nick Tompkin

  Having spent most of the afternoon rumaging around in the garage, I have come across a copy of RAIL 106 which tells the saga of this vehicle.

  In 1988 B R decided to try and clear a bag log of redundant vehicles and contracted Booths to take 250 vehicles which were not included in the usual tender process. Although supposedly efforts were made to weed out vehicles of interest, 45036 slipped through the net and in December 1988 was moved from York Up Yard to Booths via Tinsley with other vehicles. When B R were notified that this vehicle was of interest, it was returned to Tinsley after about a week in Booths Yard.

  45036 then was included in a tender and was secured by the Llangollen Railway. However in June 1989 it was once again consigned to Booths in error. On this occasion, when this was discovered after a few days it was apparently the only survivor of the batch it was delivered with remaining intact so was very fortunate to survive. It was then sent back to Tinsley again.

  However Tinsley at the time was being used as a forwarding point for scrap vehicles and 45036 was returned to Booths in error again in July 1989. It was quickly returned to Tinsley and according to the article, B R Management stepped in and ensured it was placed in the Speedlink sidings away from the other withdrawn stock to avoid any further embarrasment pending movement to Llangollen.

  Given the picture is dated September 1990 does anyone know when it was finally moved to Llangollen?

• ADM 45036

  25 May 2008 - S160

  45036 was about to be moved off the railway for restoration about October time, but due to various issues the sale fell through, one of the many reasons was that the coach was robbed of its bearings when it was at booths or such a place, and is therefore not exactly easily moveable, other than between the C&PR headshunt and the loading bay. The coach would also require asbestos removal prior to it being moved, and if anyone is interested in buying the coach, leave a posting on here and I'll detail the asbestos issues with all these saloons to them. The roof on this saloon has had some work done on it in the past, but all the work in the roof would be required to be done again prior to it be declared fit for service. The interior fittings for the vehicle are mainly missing, but there are the odd one or two still left. The vehicle also has a severe about of rot and woodworm in places....there are better saloons out there!!

• ADM 45036

  25 May 2008 - Ben Williams

  Thanks Nick for your interesting notes and S160 for the current situation - all good stuff! Amazing how one vehicle can have such a convoluted history!

• ADM 45036

  26 May 2008 - Ben Williams

  I also dont have any sightings between Tinsley 1990 and C&PRR in 2006 so any other sightings would be appreciated to complete the picture. VCT suggests it never got to Llangollen and went straight to Chinnor in 1990.

  http://www.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=2597

  Can anyone confirm please? Also therefore assume it got repainted maroon here?

• ADM 45036

  26 May 2008 - Dave Shell

  S160 - As intimated above I'm looking into this and would be grateful if you can give any info you have via Ben please (by using the "contact us" link). Cheers, D

• ADM 45036

  14 October 2008 - Ben Williams

  Any latest news on this please?

• ADM 45036

  4 June 2009 - Harold Nicolson

  This coach is the former inspection saloon built in 1947.

• 14 October 2013 - Kev Adlam

  After the fire the is now just an underframe and it at the very end of one of the storage sidings at Chinnor

• 14 February 2017 - Stuart

  I own the chassis of 45036

• 4 June 2018 - Vince

  This is now at the Tanat Valley Light Railway

  https://www.facebook.com/AB2352/

• 1 March 2023 - Peter Hall

  There appears to be some confusion regarding the movements of the chassis of 45036. See also the RHRP entry http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=2597 Although quoted as moving from Chinnor to the Tanat Valley Railway in 2/17 (RHRP), the sighting of it by G. Goswell at Swindon & Cricklade Railway on 31/7/17 suggests that it first went there before moving to Llanddu Junction / Blodwell Quarry Sidings a short while later. It being seen there by Alex on 25/8/17 where RHRP suggest it still was last November. This site is connected to the Tanat Valley Railway, thus, was it there when seen by Andrew & Kev on 2/4/22? Thus, I would suggest some confusion has arisen and it actually went Chinnor - Swindon & Cricklade - Tanat Valley. Therefore Notes, Livery and Preservation Location need tweaking.

  It is though possible that because of the connection with LMS Sleeping Car 617 (http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=14) that was/is maroon that it might have been that G. Goswell saw at Swindon & Cricklade and 45036 went direct from Chinnor to Llanddu Junction.

• M 45036

  17 September 2025 - Russell Withington

  Note that Blodwell Quarry sidings are part of Cambrian Heritage Railways, not the Tanat Valley Light Railway, even though geographically they are very close to the TVLR (a little over a mile by road according my car’s odometer).

  There is a rail connection between the two heritage railways at Llanddu Junction.

• 27 October 2025 - Russell Withington

  I have had it confirmed (by the TVLR) that ownership of 43056 has transferred to the Cambrian Heritage Railways - a move facilitated by there being the junction between them.

• 28 October 2025 - Russell Withington

  Oops! Of course I meant 45036 rather than the HST Power Car that's at the Gwili Railway

• 11 November 2025 - Russell Withington

  This is still listed as being at the Tanat Valley Railway rather than Cambrian Heritage Railways