Current number: (no longer numbered in departmental/IU series)
3072
Departmental number:
977399
Any other previous number(s):
BR coach 3072
Notes:
Moved to Great Central Railway 7/11. Now restored and carries name JESSICA-LEIGH
Livery:
Umber Cream
Preserved Railway / Museum:
Great Central Railway
Category:
Preserved vehicles
977xxx series

Photos

Comments

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• 977399

  22 April 2008 - Ben Williams

  Anyone know anything about this coach please or who realistically owns it these days? I presume access is still difficult for removal? Indeed I presume it is still there?! - not noted since 2006 so any updated sightings welcome!

• 977399

  22 April 2008 - Tony Walmsley

  It is still at Neville Hill and visible from time to time from the main line.

  It is only supposition, but it (and a Mk2 air con coach on the enxt track) appear to be used as some sort of "braked buffer stop" to which part rakes of HST coaches are attached when requiring stabling. In the past week or three HST trailers repainted in Stagecoach colours for East Midland Trains have been attached to this coach.

  My supposition must be that ownership lies with East Midland Trains as the successors to Maintrain.

• 977399

  8 October 2008 - Tony Walmsley

  This coach, together with Mk2 BSO 9482, have not moved from their current locations for a long time.

  I'm unsure what the technical term for their use is, but they are both parked, chocked and braked at the buffer stop end of two adjacent sidings. They appear to act as some form of brake for loose HST coaches which are coupled to them rather than just left in a siding.

  I think it is incorrect to describe them as OOU.

  Is it reasonable to assume they belong to East Midlands Trains?

  Tony

• 977399

  31 December 2009 - Tony Walmsley

  I note that no-one has added to my comment 15 months ago.

  This coach and 9482 are still undertaking the same function as braked buffer stops - I suppose this is a type of 'brake force' vehicle, but purely static.

  I repeat my contention of last year that it is incorrect to describe the coach as OOU - but maybe I'm misunderstanding the meaning of OOU!

  Tony

• 977399

  2 January 2010 - Ben Williams

  I generally use OOU when it is no longer in its original departmental use - ie the training coach in this case - but I guess it is a bit ambiguous here.

  I don't know who owns it officially but EMT or BRB Residuary have both been mentioned I think.

• 977399

  3 January 2010 - Rob Morel

  As HST trailers have "Alliance" couplers which are different from normal "buckeye" couplers I wonder if this vehicle has a modified coupler?

  Also HST trailers except the TGS have no handbrakes (in common with most non "guards brake" coaching stock.

  So I doubt hst stock is being directly coupled to this vehicle as couplings not compatable,

  Maybe just easier to identify the end of the siding with an old coach rather than run the risk of "chinging" the bufer stop block.

  The coach itself not being handbrake fitted??

• 977399

  3 January 2010 - Rob Morel

  The history books show this as ex 3072 an open first of 1955 vintage, 42 seats 2L

  declasified to standard only ,air braked, B4 bogies-

  Allocated to various ECML depots as a driver training coach, this in more simple language relates to just a hauled set of coaches to allow drivers to get used to train handling with the "new fangled" electric locos.

  No handbrake fitted, other than renumbering nothing changed inside,no doors sealed etc

• 977399

  4 January 2010 - SD0853

  Alliance couplers and buckeyes can couple together. Where I work we use coaches with standard buckeye's as barrier vehicles to move HST Trailers and Power Cars

• 977399

  4 January 2010 - Rob Morel

  Thanks sd0853 never knew it was possible -

  (well I didn't know that -learn something new everyday etc etc)

  the photo above shows "coach A" mark3 tgs coupled up to the departmental, can anyone confirm if these mark 3s actually have handbrakes fitted??

  All variety of mark one and two brake vehicles having handbrake wheels in the guards compartment, the 3 Mark 3 half brakes 17173 - 17174-17175 have hydraulic handbrakes but I can't ever recall seeing a parking brake/handbrake in the small guards compartment on hst tgs trailers? parking brakes being on the power cars only as normal running in "fixed sets"

  anyone help with further info lol?

• 977399

  23 July 2011 - Ben Williams

  This and 9482 made a final move on BR metals yesterday to Freightliner's Midland Road depot before going onward by road - this one to Great Central and 9482 to Booths. Photos soon.

• TDB 977399

  15 June 2014 - Intercity 125

  Is this still here? Or has it been restored? Any info is great.

• 13 December 2019 - Ross Alexander Loades

  This coach has just been release to traffic as FO 3072. It has been restored to feature in the GCR's dining train.

• 16 August 2021 - Greg Hartle

  Needs to be updated... this vehicle is now fully restored and in passenger use carrying the name 'JESSICA-LEIGH' and in umber & cream pullman livery..